A Futile Debate with a God-Botherer…

Phil

You don’t know if your reasoning is valid, if so, you can’t know anything to be truth.

Metaphysician

Yes, I do. Why don’t I?

If you are just going to say that we cannot know anything, then you might as well admit you cannot know God is real either. That invalidates faith as well. At least, it makes it just as arbitrary as you claim reason is.

Faith is arbitrary, by the way.

Phil

How do you know your reasoning is valid?

Metaphysician

I already covered that.

Phil

You have said you don’t claim certainty.

Metaphysician

Because I can prove that it is consistent with the observable facts of reality. With what I observe around me. That is the only way anything could ever be shown to be true/valid.

I said I do not claim certainty about everything. I do claim it about a lot of things.

Phil

You don’t know if your reasoning is valid but you claim you know what reality is.

Metaphysician

You keep saying that I do not, but that is just an assertion.

Phil

And then you say you don’t claim certainty.

Metaphysician

No, stop misquoting me.

I said I don’t say that about everything. Now, I will say this again; I do claim certainty about a great many things. Not 100% of everything. Got it?

Phil

So absolute truth doesn’t exist?

Metaphysician

Or are you going to keep saying I don’t claim certainty, when I think you know that is not what I said.

Obviously, I think it does, or I would not claim certainty about some things.

Phil

You did say you don’t claim 100% certainty.

Metaphysician

I am not dishonest enough to claim that I am certain about things when I have not gathered all the facts and can prove that I am correct.

No, again, you are misrepresenting me. I said that I do not claim that about everything.

For instance, I am not certain aliens exist. I just have no basis for that certainty.

Phil

Can you explain then?

Metaphysician

For the 8000th time, I can.

I claim 100% certainty about many things. But not everything.

Now, are you going to stop misrepresenting my position?

Phil

Yes.

Metaphysician

Are you? Because you were doing it for quite a while, after I clearly explained that you were doing so.

Phil

But you still don’t know if your reasoning is valid.

Metaphysician

So, you keep asserting. Without any argument.

Phil

That’s a problem because everything you claim to know can be wrong.

Metaphysician

Oh? So, Phil, is the Earth round? Answer me. Right now.

I know the Earth is round. Might it be flat then? I know the Bible seems to think it is.

The fact that the Bible asserts a flat Earth is why most Flat Earthers seem to be religious.

I know that I exist. Maybe I don’t exist?

Phil

Red Herring.

Metaphysician

Its not a red herring.You said everything I claim to know could be wrong

Phil

You change the topic.

Metaphysician

That would mean that since I know the Earth is round, that could be wrong

Phil

In your worldview yes.

Metaphysician

Or that the knowledge that I exist, might be wrong.

How is that a red herring?

Phil

It seems to me that you don’t understand me.

Metaphysician

I’m not changing the topic. Can’t you see that? I am addressing the claim that everything I know might be wrong

And showing how absurd that is.

Phil

Yeah, you give up knowledge.

Metaphysician

This is exactly on topic.

Now answer me. Might the Earth not be round? And might I not exist?

Phil

You still claim certainty but you don’t know if your reasoning is valid.

Metaphysician

Answer me, Phil.

Phil

I do not want to speak about globe and flat earth.

Metaphysician

I have, eventually, answered almost all of your questions, if not all of them. Stop trying to skip past mine.

We are not. I want a yes or no answer

Is the Earth round?

And is there a chance I do not exist?

You can skip the round Earth question if you really want.

Is there a chance I do not exist?

Phil

I’m sorry you change the topic.

It does not matter in your worldview, because you can be wrong about everything you claim to know and you don’t know that your reasoning is valid.

There is no point in discussing these things.

Metaphysician

I have not changed the topic. You said that everything I claim to know could be wrong.

I am asking you about something I claim to know and asking you if you think it could be wrong. That is not changing the damn topic.

Stop evading.

Phil

How do you know that you exist?

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